ga('ads.send', { Um yeah they are just that close that they make fun of each other. No it doesnt excuse what theyve said, but its likely that they have changed, which is something everybody does and it should be embraced. hitType: 'event', cc @sexeyXR @chsjason @Mata10. Ive seen a lot of people (and even previously been them sometimes) throwing around the Siwon thing to say hes wildly homophobic, for example, when it turned out to be heavily unreliable and probably false. Not saying they should be excused for the things that have hurt other peoples feelings, but I dont think causing controversy or hurt would ever really be their intention for anything. It arguably began around late 2018 Windflower era, when antis began to change Mamamoo's music video titles to racial slurs and death threats. but its hard not to be. You must understand that Asians are very very different from non asians in terms of being conservative, preferring lighter skin and saying that theh are not gay. Mamamoo Has Been Receiving Hate Storms- And Its Only Getting Worse. When people see my profile pic on Instagram and see that I'm a black Moomoo , they always try to use it against me saying that I must not care about the black community if I still support them. Apink made an exciting appearance on the recent July 1 episode of SNL Korea, but one of the show's skits featuring member Bomi has caused a wave of backlash among fans and viewers. Hwasa, while covering the track, read the lyrics as is, leading to the gaffe. problematickpop:. (especially since hes never repeated anything like that.). Honestly there is nothing wrong with what they said. Heechul put the scarf on his head as Gain was explaining why she chose to wear hers in a hijab style. | by unchangingtruth | Medium Write Sign up Sign In 500 Apologies, but something went wrong on our end. I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people(so being black) I decided to some research to find out. Now you may be wondering, this dating news had absolutely nothing to do with Mamamoo, why were Moos suddenly preparing for a new war against Hwasa hate comments? Twitter for Android 1 Quote Tweet 8 Likes Who can reply? #askhwasa pic.twitter.com/rqPYTIMaEL, And from there, the jokes just continued, "Biggie or Tupac?" Yes, I should have checked the links. I suffer from lots of different mental health problems (I dont want to go too into detail but I have ADHD and also struggle with BPD, bipolar + other issues) and this blog really does not help. I did watch the video when it was up but it was a while ago and I dont remember exactly what he said. Honestly, I would want the person that I love to be more pretty or more handsome., Culturally appropriated a Native American headdress. True, the haters just don't know them so they judge easily. But in this case it was obviously red, and drawn the way a clown would wear it. But that explanation was also not bought by many. 6)not excusing it or defending it but [continues to make an excuse for Henry] Sorry, but yes, you are trying to make up excuses for him. please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. From my own judgement, the members seem like good, genuine people. We're celebrities too but we're human first.". It's incredibly frustrating dealing with these kinds of people. As for the criticism of my post in your tags, I still feel like it was appropriate to include the Kris thing, though I understand why some people dont think its offensive/problematic. Hwasa trolled for past racism as #AskHwasa trends, Internet asks which ethnicity she will 'offend' next. And it manifested almost solely around Hwasa who since the very beginning has received the bulk of the hate. ", Hey remember dressing up in blackface with the rest of Mamamoo #AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/3AqtVlig1n, what we feeling today -er or -a? They debuted on June 19, 2014 with the mini album Hello . 1) I made this post because Ive seen people actively asking about what things suju have done and whether we have a masterpost, this wasnt supposed to be a resource for people to use to justify their hate for suju, however if a person does hate suju because of things members have said/done that is up to them. Mamamoo's "problematic" past (still robot voice, sorry sis) 325,340 views Sep 11, 2018 13K Dislike Share Chaennie Lisoo 38.1K subscribers In this video I take a look at one opinion in. I will definitely admit that it was very sloppy and not well researched. I always try to reblog posts made by the people who are affected and include links in my responses but I havent been so good at keeping my mouth shut when it doesnt involve me, which is something I am going to change in myself. I feel like this sounds insincere but its not, I promise, I wish I had gone about it very differently. I never thought it would gain the traction that it did and I dont feel comfortable running it at the moment, Im sorry. Group. She gets loads of comments drenched in colourism and misogyny about her genitals and looks its truly vomit worth. Also I see hate being normalised and even being defended its not hard if u don't want to forgive them then just ignore or block all mentions of them. But what appears to be the root of people's unforgiving nature where Hwasa is concerned is that despite past apologies and promises to do better, the idol has continued to make mistakes in the form of cultural appropriation. But their fans always informed them about their insensitive actions and Mamamoo always immediately apologized. Yes. Their interactions with their fans and staff members are so sweet and genuine, and they do their best to be inclusive of everyone (like Wheein taking her time to speak to a deaf fan and doing some sign language, Hwasa going on the floor to sign a fan's cast---the list goes on). A lot of my followers have been a huge help and Ive learned a lot myself. #AskHwasa. They've made mistakes in the past, but they're learning and growing through their experiences. Korean girl group Mamamoo apologized Saturday after a video clip aired at their concert that featured the quartet in blackface. Contents 1 History 1.1 Pre-debut 1.2 2014: Debut with Hello, and Piano Man 1.3 2015: Pink Funky 1.4 2016: Melting, MOOSICAL and Memory 1.5 2017: MOOSICAL Curtain Call and Purple This thread can't even agree on what Mamamoo did or did not do and yet y'all want to drag them into Blackpink's problematic sh*t to divert the attention, y'all are a damn mess. It also means I respond to criticism poorly. ", which culture did u enjoy appropriaing the most #AskHwasapic.twitter.com/x6WYr2VeJa, Can we have a spoiler? }); Wore a headscarf in a similar way to a hijab in, When a male fan said Saranghae (I love you) to him, he responded by going, Made the picture of Yesung in blackface his, Def Conn was talking about a trade he did with an African American regarding some Micheal Jordan shoes in which Kyuhyun retorted, Said that Kais defining feature was that his, Then proceeded to say Taos face color is dark because its green at 23:11 of the same, Assigned gummy bears to Exo-K members and, In the same interview, Kai sort of called him out on his colorism/shadism and Chanyeol said , Used a caricature app to make the Exo members and created, When Xiumin chose him as first place after being asked which exo member hed date if he were a girl, he saidIt feels pretty good to be in first place, but it is first place from the viewpoint of a male but then said a few seconds laterThis first place feels a little its a good thing! ), http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/117874134598/hi-i-just-wanted-to-comment-on-your-tag-about, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/117835308868/ayabewakasa-one-unsubstantiated-article-that, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/118060768918/about-the-issue-of-siwon-saying-no-to-the-fanboy, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/119551166438/baekbitchyeol-catchmeinthedrift. Hwasa's most recent callout stemmed from her latest comeback with the track 'Maria', a song that delved into her own struggles with mental health and being on the receiving end of severe hate. 9 Months of Service. it is also very likely the kangin/n thing was scripted, considering n hung out with suju members shortly after and neither n nor kangin nor their companies were asked about it EVEN ONCE and calling someonetrash in a magazine or bts video is a big deal. While MBC later clarified that the outfit was meant to be a glamorized version of the sauna outfits worn by South Koreans, particularly a style that Hwasa herself has worn before, many thought the outfit was far more similar to an African one than a Korean sauna look. This brings us now to the true reason for this article. Its blatantly homophobic and transphobic, like, there is no possible way you could deny that. It's really difficult to see the hate towards these girls when I see how hard they had to struggle to climb up the ladder when they came from such a small company but I do believe they'll prevail and work hard to improve themselves as they've always been doing since 2014 . They are not exactly multicultural societies vs. north america. when in retrospect it really wasnt my place to do so and I want to say Im really, sincerely sorry about that. Red Velvet too. MAMAMOO debuted on June 18, 2014, along with their single "Mr. Ambiguous." MAMAMOO was commended along with their first single by the critics as one of the best K-pop debut group in 2014. media-tech companies with hubs around the world. I was enjoying binging 4 years worth of missed content from them but I guess it's inevitable that I stumbled on . Joined: Mar 2022 #5. omg?? Im not Korean and I dont live in Korea so Im not comfortable talking about Korean social norms or anything like that, but colorism and homophobia are still bad and damaging things. Yes, we're all people, but idols are scrutinized for their every word and action, even much more so than non-celebrities). Ill probably check over the masterpost tomorrow and try to add more info and context and stuff. As Ive said before, Im not a muslim, and I was just going off of what Id seen other muslim bloggers say. Some of the stuff I included turned out to be something I misunderstood (for example, the gifset of Siwon) and with other things, I didnt include enough information or included misinformation. Someone might think its petty or ridiculous but theres no reason for people to put up with something offensive if they dont want to. The most ridiculous thing I have heard it that Hwasa try to be black like how by being Confident and unapologetic about her skin tone, clothing and looks cause she radiates hotness. Good night @noobmaster89 and solar cult. #1,972. And then later on she includes a list of problematic things that her favourite (boy) group has done and it's literally 3x as long. The other day it was revealed that two major idols were dating, and before I had even seen the news article, I was in a Mamamoo fan group-chat, and someone sent out the link of the dating news with their comment under being, be on high alert for hwasas tags. Another misconception I found was about Hwasa and how shes the devil and sooo racist. Some people are a bit skeptic of whether or not I actually like Super Junior, which I can understand, but I would like to clarify that I do. Like who is the next ethnicity youre going to offend? And despite Hwasa's fans attempting to set the record straight through her own apologies and explanations, the hashtag continued to be used by many to troll the idol. kpop problematic carrd! And when a few Moos did call other fandoms out on their abusive tweets, the response that night was majority she deserves it, or most common answer: its just a joke. Mamamoo has been dubbed by a lot, especially by antis as one of the most controversial groups in the history of kpop. There are multiple reasons but a large one being Im just not educated enough. If we reflect on our own selves, Im sure a lot of us have done some similar things that could be classified as questionable if we were always in the spotlight as idols too. For example, Ryeowook is another suju member I really like, and I dont agree with him using a picture of Yesung in blackface as his twitter icon whatsoever, I think it was incredibly offensive and insensitive and ignorant, but its not something that has caused me to dislike him. Im not sure anyone will read this post, Im not sure if any of the people upset by my actions will read it (because I doubt they are following this blog) but I felt like I owed everybody an apology. let gads_event; Thank you very much for the information!! }) The ring around her mouth: Now a ring around someones mouth was something drawn back in the days of blackface to emphasize big lips. Why? or for the life of me find it again so this is unsourced for the time being. My mom would like to know #AskHwasa, is mama africa a good name for you? If you think ive missed anything please send me a message but dont forget to try to include a source! Comes with 1 group photocard and 2 random member photocards out of 8. Idols lives are super scrutinized, and I think many people just forget that idols are real people too. MEAWW brings you the best content from its global team of It took years to unlearn what was taught to me, become more informed, and develop my own beliefs. ", And if anybody wants to get brave about their past mistakes, heres a link with receipts and explanations. hitType: 'event', I still like Ryeowook, I wont defend what he did, but Im still his fan. heechul just wore a scarf on his head - thats not how anyone wears a hijab properly and white women have been doing that since like the 40s. I know they've apologized for many of their other problems they faced but seriously, the hate is so overwhelming. Like who is the next ethnicity youre going to offend? Mamamoo ( Korean : , stylized in all caps) [2] is a South Korean girl group formed by RBW (formerly WA Entertainment) in 2014, composed of four members: Solar, Moon Byul, Whee In and Hwa Sa. Im also scared of spreading misinformation and making mistakes (both of which are things I have done), and I dont like the idea of people feeling too intimidated to call me out when I mess up. I dont make these lists with the intent of ruining the idols image or spreading misinformation (which by the way, if I do again, please call me out on it because otherwise I have no other way of knowing). Kpop music (as all music) is rightfully and obviously for everyone but i'm kinda surprised how big of a lesbian following kpop groups like mamamoo and dreamcatcher have and to some extent TXT, with other groups it doesnt seem to be that way. Mamamoo Has Been Receiving Hate Storms- And It's Only Getting Worse. i know you deemed your siwon thing heavily unreliable but even the fanvideo is wrong. yeah, suju has done problematic stuff and i agree, we shouldnt defend it or excuse it, its good to have that kind of discussion. The world doesnt revolve around America and our issues, not everyone has their eyes on America 24/7. Everyone, dont think of dirty thoughts!, negative comment about Taos skin being dark, cant be too chubby/fat and must have a nice body, He has darker skin than me, doesnt he?, in general, youre skin looks better if you have a lighter skin tone. You don't have to to forgive them for the blackface but I see far too much misinformation being spread and everyone just take as word. One user tweeted, "HELP I dont like Hwasa but some of yall going a little too far, some of yall preach mental health but pick and choose who that applies too. It's just crazy how haters can twist every single thing. I will try to work on this in the future because I dont want to portray idols as villains when theyre not actually responsible for what has happened (e.g. if you want to complain about me making this or ask me why i did, please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. if henry said that the idea of his band mates being gay/transworried him, thats homophobic and transphobic. Others were soon reminding Hwasa once again of her past mistakes, including wearing blackface along with the rest of Mamamoo in a performance where they were parodying Bruno Mars. I've researched it online and all I see are hate comments, especially towards Solar and Wheein. Moomoos are also quite reserved and a bit more mature so whenever Mamamoo is criticized, you have a small group of people rationally trying to defend them. mamamoo has been giving neck to neck competition to redvelvet but kpop fans always considered redvelvet above them because redvelvet is a sm group but now its time to accept the truth.. Mamamoo is easily gonna out live redvelvet, mamamoo members have resigned and will continue for long meanwhile redvelvet is pretty much done after irene scandal and no news of members re-signing because they . I did do that on my exo masterpost, but I also spent a lot more time and thought on that post as well. I very strongly believe that people can change and one action doesnt define them for the rest of their life, and if I dont include an apology in a post, its always going to be because I didnt know they apologised. As for the Kris thing, Im aware its Heechuls opinion, but considering Kris left for very valid reasons (and was practically being abused by SM, as it seems many of the Chinese members were) I would say that it could be consideredproblematic to call Kris disrespectful for leaving, especially after all the shit he got from fans and the members themselves. pg.acq.push(function() { ourbridgeisforever:. ; _____; aaaa. window.googletag.cmd.push(function() { }); pic.twitter.com/d4GXcv4AIt, As more fans attempted to clear the hashtag and ask for others to be kind and consider the mental health of idols like Hwasa, some couldn't help but laugh at the questions being asked. Siwon seems like a genuinely nice guy, and its really unfortunate that people keep spreading the rumour that hes homophobic, and Im ashamed to be one of the people who contributed to this. Solar will previal . I feel like my SuJu MP wasnt anywhere near as thorough as the exo one because I have exams at the moment so I was unable to spend as much time on it, so Id really appreciate it if people sent me anything they think I missed. JavaScript is disabled. In 2017, Mamamoo created an ending concert video for moos (their fans), where they did a parody of Bruno Mars Uptown Funk. Im still slightly dubious because I dont have the whole video and Im a cynical person but I would like to sincerely apologise for any misinformation I have spread, as it is honestly not what I intend to do with this blog. RBW then said they would work to educate themselves more on cultural sensitivity and the struggles that the black community and various other POC communities have undergone and continue to go through. And the answer is simple: Hwasa has been their scapegoat for years now. 5) Again, I included the Kangin thing because I have seen a huge amount of fans get upset by it. 2) Its a good thing that people talk about suju being problematic? Ive also seen Chanyeol and Baekhyun fans criticise them for the stuff theyve said/done, but move on and continue to be their fans, which is also a personal decision. Ive privated the post because it was very poorly made and I acknowledge that, however, some of the criticism Im getting is from 1) people who havent actually read the post and 2) people who are refusing to acknowledge some of the things I did include in it. },false) The callout, this time, however, was linked to the singer's inclusion of Latin-themed elements in her song's lyrics and music. pg.acq.push(function() { Im getting upset the more I think about it lol but really its just a lot of misconceptions; sometimes culturally and linguistically, that Americans like to hold a grudge against. But this often means the backlash is swift and severe anytime she puts out new content. now onto the list: *Anything with an asterisk besides it is a fan account and so may not be entirely reliable, though are usually fairly trustworthy. So I decided to forgive them cause myself personally thinks that they tried to show love to Bruno Mars which is apparently one of their fav artist by doing a vcr of their songs but stupidity and very ignorantly decided to dark their skin to match his and his dancers. Im honestly not trying to tell people that everybody on that list is a problematic asshole, as Ive said before, Heechul is one of my ultimate biases and I dont think hes a problematic asshole. eventAction: 'render' Their members consist of Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein, and Hwasa, with Solar being the oldest and leader of the group. I have a tendency to get a bit defensive and come across as rude/mocking/patronising/self righteous when I dont mean to, which Im trying to work on, but its hard to tell when Im doing it, so I try to avoid argument a lot. The K-POP idol's vocal talent is considered one of the best in the industry and yet, she continues to receive a great amount of . However, this became a lot more unlikely when a second video was released, titled censored version, which did not include the supposed autism comment. (I read your tags) I hope you dont mind me reblogging this, If you do please just tell me and Ill delete it. omg lol at everything written under heechul. I recently saw their variety show where they traveled to Busan and talked a bit about the past and Moonbyul said something that really squeezed my heart (paraphrasing): "We're human. Theres no point calling people too sensitive, especially when the stuff pointed out causes many problems, for fans and also the members themselves (for example, Kai has shown numerous times that he is upset by/fed up with the comments on his skin). Anyway, I hope this didnt come across as rude or anything, but I really need to go to sleep now. One tweet asked, "What we feeling today -er or -a? In fact, I really like them. But- and heres the but- not forgiving them is no excuse for repeated bullying, harassment, and worse. Everyone seems to think that the world revolves around them. Thanks for the reply! document.querySelector("#adunit").addEventListener('click',function(){ Im aware people can be incredibly childish when it comes to offensive stuff in kpop, almost like its some game, like, there are actual people who look forward to exos next fuckup as though its not something that deeply upsets people. I was enjoying binging 4 years worth of missed content from them but I guess it's inevitable that I stumbled on their controversies and I'll admit it hurt to read so many people hate on them since I was with them when they debut and immediately fell in love. if(document.querySelector("#google_image_div")){ They're open-minded and extremely kind people. We will be taking time to understand more about our international fans to ensure this never happens again. (Photo : Mr. Kim) Apink Chorong was a school bully, New recordings and evidence Revealed [+1,956, -53] As expected, the entertainment industry is filled with kids with such dirty personalities~~~~~. Advanced Faker. So to me Mamamoo isn't the most problematic groups, they are one of the every few kpop groups that take criticism and acknowledge it and learn from it. I feel like stepping back will give me more time to learn and expand my horizons and less time to speak on topics I dont actually know much about. 1,891 Rep. 1 Year of Service. Its probably my fault for not communicating that clearly enough though. ), but I think if you look at all other successful idol groups too, there is always something similar with controversies and hate there as well. I think this is one thing that remains somewhat undecided but considering Baekhyuns track record, I wouldnt put it past him tbh. I don't think anything they have done has been malicious, however it was a product of maybe not being knowledgeable of what may be considered offensive to others. The controversies surrounding Mamamoo sometimes hurt for sure, because you can tell that theyre pretty genuine in who they are without putting on too much of a show, arent out to get or hurt anyone, and are capable of realizing when they have made mistakes. A lot of it is about perspective, and privilege, but also some people have lower tolerance levels than other people. However it did look dumb not going to lie not a good look and hopes she does not it again. Kissed Yewons thighs on We Got Married while carrying her on his shoulders, Persuaded Jackson (GOT7) to accompany him in going into the girls room without permission and rifling through their stuff on episode 45 of SBS Roommate, thanks for not defending the other stuff I guess, okay this is actually the last post I just find it hard to sleep when I dont resolve stuff, An Apology For the Super Junior Masterpost, I wasnt trying to paint suju as bad guys or anything I honestly just wanted to help the people whod be sending me asks, sorry to bring this up again but a few more people reblogged it. They expect idols to be the wokest people out there because theyre celebrities when in reality theyre just the product of their colorist society. 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