I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. Tell me about that meeting and what he did. But I knew I needed to do it. Its come to this. I dont know whether its the way way down or the way back Id have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. But that is my hope. This is not my judgment but that of his elders from HBC. . Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. They said no, for various reasons. We brought up several things from the letters with James McDonald that night, and he was just dismissing everything we brought up. The G in freemasonry stands for generation. Why would anyone who follows Jesus Christ care what Generation Church thinks about anything? Dan and his wife, Kim, subsequently left Harvest, but remain committed to the integrity of the Church and caring for those who have been hurt in the Church. So I appreciate it. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. Okay. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. The Asbury Revival Is Over. Like so many other cradle to present churched people, all I ever knew was the KJV Bible. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didnt even know what gaslighting was. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? 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Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attention . Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. My husband and I pray that anyone who has been hurt or used by Im can heal. She said a survey of 20,000 women for her book, The Great Sex Rescue, found that when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . But he demanded that he be flown home on a private jet. I knew I had to do it. Thank you. The airing accelerated the timeline. However as I grew in age and hopefully in wisdom, I consulted other versions of the Bible. But it happened to me in the meeting where I raised a couple things and James McDonald is like, I dont remember that. It was the elders failure. How does this relate to his view of women? No, Im just reporting. I mean, even though at this point, your eyes have been opened. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). And there was just this push against a public rebuke. John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. And if I would, you know, post some sort of statement. And then he apologized. . Marin, So that we could live in freedom. "I was sitting in the back seat. We had to deal with it. The man does not make the ministry., God [emailprotected]. 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And I gotta tell you, the people of Harvest, the people who were there before, the people who were still there, were so forgiving. But according. Thank you for taking the stand that you did. . And I sat down on the couch in my office and cried. Visconti also had posts supporting far-right causes. So then James McDonald flies in, right? Thanks for for standing up for what was right. Hes talking about James McDonald, but not calling him out by name. I need to repent. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? And Stetzer is a huge, huge part of the crooked machine. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. Then let me just ask you from the start, why are you doing this? So if you cant say anything, I mean, again, hes dismissive of the actual letters. Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. "Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald": Julie Roys' Response February 12, 2019 Cherie Vandermillen [Julie Roys] I never thought I would hear an evangelical, mega-church pastor talk about planting child pornography on the computer of an executive at a Christian publication. But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. According to an independent audit of Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet.. Dan was one of the elders who fired James McDonald. Search my early tweet history. Julie, are you saying that you support trans mutilation/murder of pre-born children/and are against conservatives? Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! God will deal with him. They should go to the reconciliation team. Well, youre welcome. And then out of the blue, I get slapped with a lawsuit from James McDonald before I published anything. The leaders were brought together. Yeah. Whether he was going to resign or have an opportunity to resign or, you know, terminate his employment was to be determined at that point. As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonalds part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. Can you say what was in that letter? But over there, you know, I, you know, six, seven people who had read the letters, probably more than that by the time, and we talked about what was in the letters. This isnt phrased to have constructive conversation. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And I have, you know, probably probably six weeks later, less than, probably four weeks later or something I I apologized for signing that. The marriage relationship has died. It was a conference call because it happened fast. Im Julie Roys. So I mean, again, this was round. Its loving to give medicine to a sick patient, and its loving to speak the truth to a deceived person.. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. She declined. Hear the dramatic and sovereignly orchestrated story of how MacDonalds actions finally came to light at Harvest. If theres other passages we should be talking about, lets talk about them. It was a heated discussion about letters and who should have the letters who should read the letters, etc., that night. So let me let me take you to February I believe is February 12. So for Jim McDonald to say that he didnt remember like, Im not buying it, right? No, its not how it went down, Julie. And yet so many still have not and still waiting for James McDonald to do that. That would be my word to Ron Duitsman. But so much else not owned. Why is that? You are Julie. I say this as a Christian who was taken to task by Christian doctors who told me of all sorts of cases that are not as the woman loved murdering her baby as many pro-life conservatives want everyone to believe. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. Chicago-area Republic Bank has stopped foreclosure proceedings against disgraced celebrity preacher, James MacDonald, and reinstated MacDonald's mortgage on his $1.5 million Elgin estate. The text included the hashtags #gossipslut #gossipmonger #filthygutterwebsite #cancerinChristsbody., MacDonald also tweeted the invitation, referring to me as Julie Jezebel Roys.. Ostensibly, one of the assets MacDonald obtained in the arbitration settlement is the list of email addresses of former Walk in the Word supporters. Julie Roys knows she published many false statements about me, false statements now proven such in a court of law, yet she has retracted nothing. It was in the very, very early days of its launch. But to also say, this was this was my fault, too. I was there at HBC & witnessed it. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. But would he have been able to save face do you think? And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. How come church leaders and male congregants are always beating up the women with this particular Scripture but no one ever (to my knowledge) addresses the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church? And so when they started arguing the process, I was just like, Oh, my gosh, thats what were just gonna talk about the process. I encourage you to talk to Christian doctors who are fearful of extreme under no circumstances legislation that now forces molested preteens to give birth, and makes it difficult to treat a septic Thankfully, I had headphones on. This is James said what he said. Great! This story saddens me. He teaches that wives should endure abuse like a missionary endures persecution. And were talking about a private jet. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? He wasnt bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. He further claims Harvests elders crafted false accusations against him as a pure act of vindictiveness to cover the churchs looting of his former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word. Yet, Dan, you owned it. My spouse and I and many others went to college with James in the eighties in Canada. So Rick was in the meeting, as were others, and they were defending saying the elders should not have the letters. Were just talking a minute ago, you know, the emotion and the weight and the relief and the sadness, and all those things are true. So quick to forgive and people were giving me hugs the next night. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Thank you. Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? And there is one thing we know about Satan. And I want to help people lead the church well. In October, Harvest along with lead pastor James MacDonald filed a defamation lawsuit against the author of the World article, Julie Roys, for "asserting false allegations" during her eight . And I dont need to know. So who is he talking about? Others as well, who were defending and saying, well, the elders shouldnt even have these letters we had agreed, they go to the reconciliation team. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, . Yet he notes that only a small number of former listeners responded positively. Others, who stumbled by the public deception sent many hateful words.. So, Julie Roys decided to do what she does best - investigative journalism - in order to find out the truth in the world of m. He was in Walk in the Word studios apparently, and said some really vile things, including, you know, joking about putting child porn on a computer, joking about me having an affair with a Christianity Today editor, which has no basis in fact whatsoeve. According to The Elephant's Debt (TED), a blog critical of MacDonald that launched in the summer of 2012, MacDonald was then taking a salary over $500,000, and living on a $1.9 million estate. Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. She gave it to me to get to the elders. when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . She keeps demanding I tithe to her and she will ask god to bless me. In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. And he conspired with these staff to bring these letters because they all just were out to get James. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2. How can a husband love his wife as Christ loved the church when he is emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually abusive? Shame on you for reading scripture! Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? Right, so now you have this meeting that ends you know, Tuesday night meeting that ends in the wee hours of the Wednesday, February 6. Youre, youre characterizing it correctly. I think there was a group in the in the room that would have let him have the microphone that weekend. And I checked my voicemail. Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. And then saying, I need a private jet to fly me home. And what happened in all the backroom meetings, private conversations, and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. ( was spent) That seems pretty straightforward. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader. pretty rotten.. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. 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